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Top 30 All Time African Boxers

 

 

whattya say fellas?  Here is my list I made about a year ago i think. 

 

**please note Marcel Cerdan is not included here, although he was born in Algeria, I always consider him French.  If he was on this list, I would rank him 4th. 

 

Let me know how you would adjust, or who I have missed?

 

  1. Azumah Nelson (Gha)
  2. Dick Tiger (Nigeria)
  3. Brian Mitchell (SA)
  4. Ike Quartey (Gha)
  5. Cornelius Boza-Edwards (Uga)
  6. Vic Toweel (SA)
  7. Harry Simon (Nam)
  8. Anaclet Wamba (Dem Rep of Congo/Zaire)
  9. Battling Siki (Sen)
  10. Vuyani Bungu (SA)
  11. Ike Ibeabuchi (Nigeria)
  12. Cassius Baloyi (SA)
  13. Lehlo Ledwaba (SA)
  14. David Kotei (Gha)
  15. Dingaan Thobela (SA
  16. Corrie Sanders (SA)
  17. Gerrie Coetzee (SA)
  18. John Mugabi (Uga)
  19. Masibuele Makepula (SA)
  20. Jake Matlala (SA)
  21. Mbulelo Botile (SA)
  22. Akeem Anifowoshe (Nigeria)
  23. Ayub Kalule (Uga)
  24. Frans Botha (SA)
  25. Alfred Kotey (Gha)
  26. Welcome N’Cita (SA)
  27. Arnold Taylor (SA)
  28. Piet Crous (SA)
  29. Kassim Ouma (Uga)
  30. Sam Peter (Nigeria)

 

 

Hon Mention: 

 

Cameroon:  Herman Ngoudjou, Sakio Bika

 

Ghana: Ben Tackie, Joshua Clottey, Joseph Agbeko

 

 

Namibia –  Paulus Moses

 

Nigeria –  Friday Anunanya, Duncan Dokiwari, David Izon

 

 

South Africa –  Thulani Malinga, Pierre Coetzer, Johnny du Plooy, Phillip N’Dou, Courage Tshabalala, Isaac Hlatshwayo, Simphiwe Nongqayi, Malcolm Klassen,  Mzonke Fana (130IBF),

 

 

**Edits:  Akinwande removed.  Sam Peter bumped down to #30, Kassim Ouma added at #29, Joseph Agbeko added to Hon. Mention

 

 

 

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mexfighter

I'd have Corey Sanders #1 just on the strength of his awesome mustache and the fact that a fat golfer knocked out wlad.

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Hitman

I rate Tiger #2 because he was a 2 division champion at middleweight and light heavyweight.  Also he has world class wins under his belt including Giardello, Wilf Greaves, Spider Webb, Gene Armstrong, Gene Fullmer, Jose Torres, Roger Rouse, Frank DePaula, Nino Benvenuti and Andy Kendall

 

 

Simon, whose GREAT win over WInky Wright, suffers because his career was cut short due to a car accident or something... maybe a shooting or he was hit by a car?  Because of this he retired early and didn't really get to further his career. 

 

Tiger's competition is miles and miles and miles ahead of SImon's.  I still rate Simon fairly high because of the potential he showed in his shorter career.  Similar to the way I rate Ike Ibeabuchi, who didn't accomplish as much as many rated below him, I just happen to think that highly of him

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blackrican23

Hitman has started forming lists of the greatest fighters by the regions of the world they came from , quite a formidable task. We will use this thread to compile the lists

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Hitman

Albania: 

  1. Luan Krasniqi
  2. Elvir Muriqi

 

Andorra: no boxers of note

 

Armenia: 

  1. Arthur Arbraham (Armenian Descent)
  2. Artur Grigorian (Uzbek born, of Armenian descent),
  3. Vic Darchinyan

 

Austria:  no boxers of note

 

Azerbaijan:  no boxers of note

 

Belarus:

  1. Sergei Liakhovich
  2. Yuri Foreman

 

 

Belgium:

  1.  Jean-Pierre Coopman

 

Bosnia and Herzegovina : 

  1. Marijan Beneš (father was of czech extraction and his mother a true Bosnian)
  2. Slobodan KaÄar

     

 

Bulgaria: 

  1. Tontcho Tontchev  (140)
  2. Amaro Dialo

 

Croatia: 

  1. Zeljko Mavrovic
  2. Stipe Drews (175)
  3. Mate Parlov (175,190),

 

Cyprus:  no boxers of note

 

Czech Republic:  no boxers of note

 

Denmark: 

  1. Battling Nelson
  2. Mikkel Kessler
  3. Brian Nielson
  4. Johnny Bredahl
  5. Gert Bo Jacobsen
  6. Mads Larsen
  7. Tom Bogs (175)

 

England: 

 

  1. Lennox Lewis
  2. Bob Fitzsimmons
  3. Ted “Kid†Lewis
  4. Randolph Turpin
  5. Naseem Hamed
  6. Ricky Hatton
  7. Chris Eubank
  8. Carl Froch
  9. Nigel Benn
  10. John Conteh
  11. Frank Bruno
  12. Henry Akinwande
  13. Alan Minter
  14. Michael Watson
  15. Henry Cooper
  16. Junior Witter
  17. Freddie Mills
  18. Herbie Hide
  19. Richie Woodhall
  20. Clinton Woods
  21. Robin Reid
  22. Chris Pyatt
  23. Amir Khan
  24. Herol Graham
  25. Pat Cowdell

 

 

 

 

Estonia: no boxers of note

 

 

 

Finland: 

  1.  Robert Helenius
  2.  Amin Asikainen  (160),

 

           

France: 

  1. Marcel Cerdan,
  2. Georges Carpentier,
  3. Laurent Dauthuille,
  4. Jean-Marc Mormeck,
  5. Rene Jacquot,
  6. Fabrice Tiozzo,
  7. Mahyar Monshipour,
  8. Laurent Boudouani, 
  9. Julien Lorcy,
  10. Jean Baptiste Mendy,
  11. Souleymane M’baye.
  12. Hacine Cherifi,
  13. Morrrade Hakkar,
  14. Bruno Girard,
  15. Mehdi Sahnoune,
  16. Christophe Tiozzo,

 

 

Georgia:  no boxers of note

 

Germany: 

  1. Max Schmeling
  2. Sven Ottke
  3. Henry Maske
  4. Dariusz Michaelczewski (Polish Descent)
  5. Garciano Rocchigiani
  6. Felix Sturm
  7. Arthur Abraham (Armenian Descent)
  8. Markus Beyer
  9. Thomas Ulrich
  10. Oktay Urkal,
  11. Axel Schulz,
  12. Karl Mildenberger,  
  13. Ralf Rocchigiani
  14. Alexander Dimitrenko
  15. Luan Krasniqi (Albanian Descent)

 

 

Greece: 

  1. Michael Katsidis
  2. Mike Arnaoutis

 

Hungary: 

  1.  Zsolt Erdei
  2. Laszlo Papp
  3. Istvan Kovacs

 

Iceland: no boxers of note

 

Ireland: 

  1. Jimmy McClarnin (Born in County Down, raised in Canada at age 3)
  2. Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
  3. Barry McGuigan
  4. Steve Collins
  5. Wayne McCullough
  6. Eamon Loughran

 

Italy: 

  1. Nino Benvenuti
  2. Vito Antuofermo
  3. Sumbu Kalambay (Zimbabwe born raised in Italy)
  4. Arturo Gatti (Born in Italy)
  5. Francesco Damiani
  6. Primo Carnera
  7. Vincenzo Nardiello
  8. Giovanni Parisi
  9. Michele Piccirillo
  10. Stefano Zoff

 

Kazakhstan: 

  1. Vassiliy Jirov,
  2. Beibut Shumenov
  3. Dennis Bakhtov
  4. Anatoly Alexandrov

 

Latvia:  no boxers of note

Liechtenstein:  no boxers of note

Lithuania:  no boxers of note

Luxembourg:  no boxers of note

Macedonia:  no boxers of note

Malta: no boxers of note

Moldova: no boxers of note

Monaco: no boxers of note

Montenegro: no boxers of note

 

Netherlands: ????  Lucia Rijker

 

Norway: 

  1. Steffen Tangstad
  2. Ole Klemetsen

 

Poland: 

  1. Tomasz Adamek
  2. Dariusz Michalczewski
  3. Krzysztof WÅ‚odarczyk 
  4. Albert Sosnowski
  5. Andrew Golota

 

Portgugal: no boxers of note

 

Romania:  Lucian Bute

 

Russia: 

  1. Kostya Tszyu
  2. Yuri Arbachakov
  3. Nikolai Valuev
  4. Sultan Ibragimov
  5. Roman Karmazin
  6. Oleg Maskaev
  7. Alexander Povetkin
  8. Nikolai Valuev
  9. Denis Boytsov
  10. Dmitry Pirog
  11. Ruslan Provodnikov

 

 

San Marino: no boxers of note

 

Scotland: 

  1. Ken Buchanan
  2. Jim Watt
  3. Ricky Burns
  4. Scott Harrison
  5. Alex Arthur

 

 

Serbia: no boxers of note

Slovakia: no boxers of note

 

Slovenia:  Jan Zaveck

 

Spain: 

  1. Javier Castillejo,
  2. Alfredo Evangelista

 

Sweden:

  1. Ingemar Johansson,
  2. Armand Krajnc,

 

Switzerland: no boxers of note

 

Turkey: 

  1. Sinan Åžamil Sam,
  2. Oktay Urkal (Turkish descent),

 

Ukraine: 

  1. Vitali Klitschko
  2. Wladimir Klitschko
  3. Serhiy Dzinziruk
  4. Volodymyr Sydorenko
  5. Viacheslav Senchenko
  6. Andreas Kotelnik
  7. Vasyl Lomachenko (pending)

 

Wales: 

  1. Jimmy Wilde
  2. Freddie Welsh
  3. Jim Driscoll
  4. Joe Calzaghe
  5. Tommy Farr
  6. Steve Robinson

 

 

 

 

Europe:

    1. Lennox Lewis
    2. Bob Fitzsimmons
    3. Jimmy Wilde
    4. Jimmy McLarnin
    5. Freddie Welsh
    6. Ted “Kid†Lewis
    7. Nonpareil Dempsey
    8. Marcel Cerdan
    9. Ken Buchanon
    10. Nino Benvenuti
    11. Vitali Klitschko
    12. Joe Calzaghe
    13. Max Schmeling
    14. Jim Driscoll
    15. Wladimir Klitschko
    16. Battling Nelson
    17. Kostya Tszyu
    18. Vasily Jirov
    19. Tomas Adamek
    20. Ingo
    21. Sven Ottke
    22. Randolph Turpin
    23. Georges Carpentier
    24. Vito Antuofermo
    25. Barry McGuigan
    26. Tommy Farr
    27. Naseem Hamed
    28. Sumbu Kalambay
    29. Ricky Hatton
    30. Dariusz Michalczewski

 

**Edits:  Added a full Top 30 for Europe... edited spelling of Bosnia section.  Moved Frank Bruno up - ahead of Akinwande, Cooper and Minter.  Moved Cooper down to after Minter.  Europe top 30 remains the same as i have not read an intelligent argument to challenge it.

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Hitman

Everyone keep in mind this are MY rankings - I do not always go by historical norms, so they can be seen as amateur or unconventional or both!  I am very open to all criticisms and adjustments and also please lemme know if I miss someone.

 

Also some touchy ones - Sumbu Kalambay I rank as Italian (not african), Marcel Cerdan as French (not African), Henry Akinwande I;ve just notice I have in both England AND Africa.... where should he be?

 

ALso Jimmy MClarnin is Irish, some of these guys are hard to rank.  Dariusz is ranked in Germany and Poland... so let me know wher eyou think each guy should be ranked not only by number but by region

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blackrican23

I thought Lewis a bit high myself but don't know enough British boxing to argue, thought Tzsyu  was  low as well

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Hitman

I'm not having Lennox Lewis at 1 with Calzaghe at 14?..Kosta Tszyu at 16 Damnnn

Akinwande was born and lived in London all his life, he should be in England! However how you have him rated above he likes of Bruno when he never even win a legit World Title??

 

Where should Calzaghe be?  Higher/Lower?  Tszyu higher or lower? 

 

I will adjust my Africa rankings to remove Akinwande from there, and keep him in England.  I rate him above Bruno because i think he is a better fighter and he did win the WBO title which i think is as legitimate as the WBC/IBF/WBA. 

 

I could be persuaded otherwise tho. 

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Hitman

I have to admit I am feeling rather dodgy on England.  I feel very good about the top 9 in the order of:

 

Lennox, Fitz, Kid Lewis, Turpin, Naz, Hatton, Eubank, Froch, Benn

 

But 10-16 is tough. 

 

mofo2 thinks Bruno should be ahead of Akinwande.  Where does Ol' Enry rank?  and Conteh, Witter, Watson and Minter are giving me trouble as well. 

 

17-25 may need adjusting.. but i doubt anyone would lose any sleep over it

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Hitman

mofo2 - KO % does not factor into this debate, imo

 

neither does my like or dislike of a fighter.

 

as for your comment before... I'll tolerate it once.  I've seen almost all them fight or I have seen their opponents fight, for nearly all of them. 

 

I haven't seen anything of Freddie Welsh, Nonpareil Dempsey

 

these are just my opinions, and they are not perfect, and I'm also posting the lists here to see what others think and i can improve the lists....

 

but just because YOU haven't seen these fighters fight, doesn't mean I haven't. 

 

Tell me who Tszyu and Calzaghe should be ranked ahead of?  and why

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TheRealDeal

Scotland  :bow  :bow  :bow

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blackrican23

haha weird reading this thread :chin

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Slayer

HERMAN NGOUDJO??! U serious?? And Kacar is written with a ÄŒ, KaÄar. He was born and grew up about 40 kilometers from my hometown. :D Shame his career was short. But he won an olympic gold medal and a world title and beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad. :tup Marijan sadly never got a world title but he fought for one against Ayub Kalule, losing by a close and some say controversial decision. He was a Euro champ.

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Hitman

haha weird reading this thread :chin

 

mofo2 deleted his posts and put me on ifgnore because he must've been so embarrassed that people actually watch boxing matches before discussing them

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Hitman

HERMAN NGOUDJO??! U serious?? And Kacar is written with a ÄŒ, KaÄar. He was born and grew up about 40 kilometers from my hometown. :D Shame his career was short. But he won an olympic gold medal and a world title and beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad. :tup Marijan sadly never got a world title but he fought for one against Ayub Kalule, losing by a close and some say controversial decision. He was a Euro champ.

 

I changed the spelling for ya, Slayer. 

 

What is wrong with Ngoudjo?  he isn't ranked, just in there as an honorable mention. 

 

I made edits to the England ratings- bumping Bruno up higher due to a couple good points (now deleted) by the mofo2.  also looking back Bruno has a win over McCall that sets him apart from Akinwande, who lost to the faded version of McCall

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Hitman

good stuff

 

is katsidis really greek though?

 

Good point - He is of Greek descent, tho born in Australia.  I will have to put that in the notes.  Good catch

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Slayer

On Slovakia, Kelly Pavlik is of Slovak heritage...only a shame he's from USA.

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Slayer

pavlik is a slovakian name eh? i guess when you think about it,  the name pavlik does sound a tad slavic.

Through and through. Its as Slovak and Slavic as it can get.

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Hitman

back to topic here: 

 

South America is next and here are some of the countries:

 

Brazil:

  1. Eder Jofre
  2. Acelino Freitas
  3. Valdemir Pereira
  4. Miguel de Oliveira
  5. Adilson Rodrigues
  6. Kelson Pinto
  7. George Arias

 

Columbia:

  1. Antonio Cervantes
  2. Rodrigo Valdes
  3. Miguel "Happy" Lora
  4. Irene Pacheco
  5. Mauricio Pastrana
  6. Miguel Barrera
  7. Elvis Ãlvarez
  8. Rodolfo Blanco
  9. Alejandro Berrio
  10. Ener Julio
  11. Yonnhy Pérez
  12. Beibis Mendoza
  13. Jorge Julio
  14. Rubén Darío Palacios
  15. Bernardo Mercado
  16. Carlos Tamara
  17. Edison Miranda
  18. Carlos Maussa
  19. Daniel Reyes
  20. Prudencio Cardona
  21. Harold Grey
  22. Juan Urango
  23. César Canchila
  24. Oscar León
  25. Joel Julio
  26. Ricardo Torres
  27. Fulgencio Zúñiga
  28. Breidis Prescott

Active fighters:

 

Eleider Ãlvarez, Jonatan Romero

 

Argentina:

  1. Carlos Monzon
  2. Sergio Martinez
  3. Nicolino Locche
  4. Pascual Pérez
  5. Jorge Castro
  6. Juan Roldán
  7. Oscar Bonavena
  8. Juan Martin Coggi
  9. Hugo Corro
  10. Víctor Galíndez
  11. Horacio Accavallo
  12. Omar Andrés Narváez
  13. Santos Laciar
  14. Marcelo Domínguez
  15. Lucas Matthysse
  16. Juan Carlos Reveco
  17. Marcos Maidana
  18. Luis Ãngel Firpo
  19. Jonathan Victor Barros
  20. Carlos Baldomir
  21. Raul Horacio Balbi
  22. Carlos Gabriel Salazar
  23. Hugo Rafael Soto
  24. Jorge Rodrigo Barrios
  25. Luis Alberto Lazarte
  26. Miguel Angel Cuello
  27. Miguel Angel Castellini
  28. Pablo Chacón
  29. Hugo Garay
  30. Jorge Ahumada
  31. Gregorio Peralta
  32. José María Gatica

hon mention or still active and unseen fighters:

 

Luis Abregú, Mariano Natalio Carrera(beat castillejo but tested positive for roids ten lost to castillejo), Martin Santiago Augusto Castillo, Diego Gabriel Cháves

 

Peru:

 

Alberto Rossel?

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Hitman

peru is a tough one.

 

the security guard that works @ the bank i deposit at is from peru. we got to talking about boxing & it struck me that i have never heard of any relevant boxers from peru..he told me that he used to  box when he lived own there, they just don"t make good pros i guess. maybe he's heard of this guy alberto rossel  :chin 

 

I went to visit there a few years ago and talking to one of the local there about boxing and football (soccer) he basically told me that the Peruvians are built too short and stout to be quick boxers or tall football players.... his exact words were "DAMN INCAS!"  hehe

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blackrican23

Fidel Bassa was better than Prescott or  Joel Julio for Colombia

 

and Tomas Molinares did KTFO Starling ( thanks HOF joe cortez :yess ) but later changed to no contest

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Gordon

Good thread with some really interesting points to debate

As a Scotsman I would possibly not dispute your choices as there are a number of boxers pre-Buchanan should be noted in there especially those that held " legitimate" World Titles.

I am one who still does not recognise the WBO as a legit crown as a number if their 'Champions' were not even rated in say The Ring Magazines Top Twenty yet were WBO Title holders.

Not a big fan of Scott Harrison and I am not sure we saw his full potential in the ring we of the Door Stewarding brotherhood certainly saw him in full prime and some have actually beaten the shit out of him.

Others more worthy of a mention from days gone by include

Benny Lynch World Flyweight Champion destroyed by alcohol

Jackie Paterson World Flyweight Champion

Walter Mc Gowan also held a World Title

The long time argument over Buchanan being the best Scotland ever produced is another I would debate.

My personal feelings on this are Jim Watt was a superior boxer.

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SteffiCurdy

Here are some top 20 boxing legends that are all time best and favorite

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Oscar De La Hoya
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Harry Greb
7. Henry Armstrong
8. Joe Louis
9. Willie Pep
10. Roberto Duran
11. Benny Leonard
12. Jack Johnson
13. Jack Dempsey
14. Sam Langford
15. Joe Gans
16. Sugar Ray Leonard
17. Harry Greb
18. Rocky Marciano
19. Jimmy Wilde
20. Gene Tunney

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Mofo2

 

Here are some top 20 boxing legends that are all time best and favorite

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Oscar De La Hoya
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Harry Greb
7. Henry Armstrong
8. Joe Louis
9. Willie Pep
10. Roberto Duran
11. Benny Leonard
12. Jack Johnson
13. Jack Dempsey
14. Sam Langford
15. Joe Gans
16. Sugar Ray Leonard
17. Harry Greb
18. Rocky Marciano
19. Jimmy Wilde
20. Gene Tunney

 

Is this your list of top 20 Steff??

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mexfighter

how about a top 10 or 20 of fighters you've actually seen and not only read about or seen black and white video of?

 

I'm talking, depending on your age, from the 70's on.

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