A points ranking system to legitimise boxing rankings and championships!


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After the Ring made the changes it did to its championship policy last year like many fans I felt its championship had lost credibility. But I now realise that both the Ring championship as well as the TBRB championship which attempted to replace it are flawed for a more fundamental reason and the same reason that all organisations that rank boxers are flawed: to truly establish legitimate champions rankings just cannot be determined by opinion polls. Even if the TBRB panel is free of promotional or business influence, its members are going to have varying awareness of boxers, especially of boxers in different areas of the world, and are also going to have individual prejudices based on their knowledge of the sport. A panel is necessarily an oligarchy arbitrarily determining the ranking of boxers.

That opinion polling is not sufficient to rank boxers was made apparent when I looked up why Mayweather was not the legitimate welterweight champion. Mayweather should definitely not have won a vacant championship by beating Guerrero, but there is a case to be made for him becoming champion when he beat Mosley. The Cyber Boxing Zone did consider the 2009 Margarito-Mosley fight to be for the vacant lineal championship. Deciding that this was a championship fight was clearly subjective, because it depended on whether Mosley was considered number 2 or not. Margarito would have moved to number 1 when he beat Cotto. The Ring only dropped Cotto to number 2, but if someone felt the loss should move Cotto further down then they would make Mosley number 2.

If opinion polling is used to determine ranking there will every now and then be situations where it is not clear who the number 1 or 2 boxer is. There needs to be an objective and systematic way of ranking boxers strictly on accomplishment. I'm also a tennis fan, and I think it might be possible to create a points ranking system for boxing similar to what tennis uses. The ATP has a system where players are given a set amount of points based on their success at different levels of tournaments. Players retain the points they have accrued over the last exact year, so their current points and ranking is reflective of their success over the last year.

For a ranking system to be accurate the top 30 boxers in each division would need to be ranked. 10 would not be enough.

Ranking points would be earned based on quality of opposition and success. If a boxer faces the number 30 ranked contender he would earn 1 point, if he faces the number 29 ranked contender he would earn 2 points, and so on, to if he faces the number 1 ranked contender he would earn 30 points. Fighting a champion would earn 33 points. If a boxer beats a top-30 ranked contender or champion he would earn DOUBLE the points he earned for taking the fight. Ranking points accrued over the last three exact years would be retained.

Perhaps an exhaustive panel would conduct a one-time opinion poll to determine the initial top-30 divisional rankings. Then each ranked boxer would retroactively be given the points he would have accrued from his fights over the last three years, based on the opinion poll-determined top-30 ranking of his opponents. The top-30 would then be reordered by points. It may not be sufficiently reflective of the quality of those fights to earn points from fights that occured almost three years ago based on the current top-30, but some level of objective standard would need to be established immediately. Over the next year ranking points would become more precisely indicative of the performance of boxers from the previous three years. After the top-30 rankings are first tabulated the rankings would naturally expand beyond 30 as unranked boxers fight ranked boxers, or even decrease to less than 30 if ranked boxers went more than three years without fighting another ranked boxer.

Boxers would only be able to earn ranking points in fights scheduled for 10 or 12 rounds.

Ranking points for a division could only be earned if a boxer weighs-in under the division's weight limit.

If a ranked boxer or champion is inactive in a weight division for more than 15 months he would be removed from the rankings and lose all his ranking points.

The champions as currently recognised by the TBRB would retain their championship status till beaten in a championship fight, or they are inactive for more than 15 months.

A vacant championship could only be filled when the top two boxers in a division fight.

A boxer competing in a championship fight must weigh in under the division limit to be eligible to win the championship.

Ranking points would be calculated and divisional rankings updated on the 1st and 15th of every month, for the previous three exact years. For example, the update on the 1st of December 2016 would be for fights that took place from the 1st of December 2013 to the 30th of November 2016. For recordkeeping purposes all boxers with ranking points in a division should be listed, with their ranking and points indicated. In addition to ranking points accrued over the last three years, points accrued over the current calender year could also be listed for each boxer. This would be a good indication of the most accomplished boxers of the year.

A points ranking system is important because if accepted by fans, media, boxers, and especially promoters it would force boxers to fight more often and fight boxers ranked above them if they wanted to move up the rankings and earn a shot at the championship.

I'll add that the obvious misranking of boxers in the Boxrec rankings is no argument against a points ranking system. The factors that the Boxrec system uses to determine a boxer's ranking often aren't even an indication of his success, and the system is generally bizarre and confusing.

Of course more about the system and its organisation would have to be worked out and I'm open to reconsidering anything I've proposed. Anyone who would like to offer constructive criticism, or even better would like to be part of organising and implementing this idea should contact me. This needs to be a completely democratic process, and not my personal project.

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yaltamaltadavid! welcome to our site, we are a small friendly community that have a great passion for boxing, if your intentions are to join us and participate in our boxing discussions then you are more than welcomed.

 

If your primary reason of joining our site is to promote your site, then you are not welcomed. I shall await your response.

 

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yaltamaltadavid

Are you serious? Spam would be something that is irrelevant and the people receiving have no interest in. This is an something that I think can be effective, and may even have a positive impact on the overall health of the sport. If you care about the sport you owe it to yourself to consider the idea. What do you guys think?

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yaltamaltadavid

My primary reason is to promote my idea with boxing fans, and to engage in discussion about it, here or anywhere. I actually didn't mean to include the new site at the end, especially on my first post :)

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My primary reason is to promote my idea with boxing fans, and to engage in discussion about it, here or anywhere. I actually didn't mean to include the new site at the end, especially on my first post :)

 

Ok Understood! as stated we are down with boxing and things related to boxing such as what you have posted. We just dont want people registering the posting one time about their site or system and then thats it. we also are not implying that you spend the rest of your life on our forum and make a million posts. we just would like members that contribute.

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yaltamaltadavid

It wouldn't accomplish anything if I posted that once then left. But anyway, I've encountered a lot of resistance from people about most of my points. Saying that's too simple, that bad decisions shouldn't be officially accepted, that KOs shouldn't be factored in, that rankings don't even matter....

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It wouldn't accomplish anything if I posted that once then left. But anyway, I've encountered a lot of resistance from people about most of my points. Saying that's too simple, that bad decisions shouldn't be officially accepted, that KOs shouldn't be factored in, that rankings don't even matter....

nice to have a new member :tup

 

look forward to engaging and understanding your system david , welcome to WBF

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If a ranked boxer or champion is inactive in a weight division for more than 15 months he would be removed from the rankings and lose all his ranking points.

Hmmmmmm tell that to Klitschko, they have him locked in so tight if he never fought again he is still champion :facepalm

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yaltamaltadavid

Hmmmmmm tell that to Klitschko, they have him locked in so tight if he never fought again he is still champion :facepalm

Did he ever go 15 months without fighting? But Wlad can't be considered champion anyway: because he never beat the number two in his division, his brother :)

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I dug this up from his Wiki

On 9 November 2005, Vitali Klitschko announced his retirement from professional boxing and vacated his title. He had been training to fight Hasim Rahman, but unfortunately, just 9 days before the fight, he had entangled his leg with his sparring partner, causing them to fall heavily. He snapped his anterior cruciate ligament, a very serious injury, which would take up to a year to heal, with surgery, and possibly would be career ending. To avoid keeping the title out of use, he retired.

 

The WBC was grateful for his consideration. On other occasions he cited regrets about his suddenly mounting injuries, a desire to leave the sport while still on top and political aspirations in his home country of Ukraine.Following his retirement, the WBC conferred "champion emeritus" status on Klitschko, and assured him he would become the mandatory challenger if and when he decided to return.

 

He announced his comeback in the 24 January 2007 edition of the German newspaper Bild-Zeitung, and requested that he be allowed to fight again.

 

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After the Ring made the changes it did to its championship policy last year like many fans I felt its championship had lost credibility.

 

I was unaware of this . I still value some Ring beat writers but since Golden Boy bought the publishing I don't view their rankings for a few years now, what changes were made last year?

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Legitimising rankings wouldn't solve the problem of fighters refusing to defend against the number 1 contender when he has better options available to him!

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